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JENNIFER FRAZER: And he would repeat this. Exactly. ALVIN UBELL: If you look at a root under a microscope, what you see is all these thousands of feelers like hairs on your head looking for water. Same as the Pavlov. Because I have an appointment. SUZANNE SIMARD: And so my mom always talks about how she had to constantly be giving me worm medicine because I was -- I always had worms. That's amazing and fantastic. Then we actually had to run four months of trials to make sure that, you know, that what we were seeing was not one pea doing it or two peas, but it was actually a majority. [ASHLEY: Hi. Couple minutes go by And all of a sudden we could hear this barking and yelping. And I do that in my brain. Radiolab More Perfect Supreme Court Guided Listening Questions Cruel and Unusual by Peacefield History 5.0 (8) $1.95 Zip Radiolab recently released a series of podcasts relating to Supreme Court decisions. Yeah, and I have done inspections where roots were coming up through the pipe into the house. Yes, we are related. Had indeed turned and moved toward the fan, stretching up their little leaves as if they were sure that at any moment now light would arrive. I mean, this is going places. Monica's work has actually gotten quite a bit of attention from other plant biologists. Monica thought about that and designed a different experiment. He's the only springtail with a trench coat and a fedora. Maybe just a tenth the width of your eyelash. JENNIFER FRAZER: Well, maybe. AATISH BHATIA: This feels one of those experiments where you just abort it on humanitarian grounds, you know? It is like a bank! And she says this time they relaxed almost immediately. So I don't have a problem. ROBERT: That is correct. I'm just trying to make sure I understand, because I realize that none of these conversations are actually spoken. It's like every time I close my eyes, you're coming at it from a different direction. So this is our plant dropper. ROBERT: No, I -- we kept switching rooms because we weren't sure whether you want it to be in the high light or weak light or some light or no light. Thud. This is Ashley Harding from St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada. So -- so carbon will move from that dying tree. Yours is back of your house, but let's make it in the front. I don't think Monica knows the answer to that, but she does believe that, you know, that we humans We are a little obsessed with the brain. I gotta say, doing this story, this is the part that knocked me silly. They're called feeder roots. It's almost as if the forest is acting as an organism itself. ROBERT: No, I -- we kept switching rooms because we weren't sure whether you want it to be in the high light or weak light or some light or no light. Also thanks to Christy Melville and to Emerald O'Brien and to Andres O'Hara and to Summer Rayne. Do you really need a brain to sense the world around you? Was it possible that maybe the plants correctly responded by not opening, because something really mad was happening around it and it's like, "This place is not safe.". And while it took us a while to see it, apparently these little threads in the soil. They can adapt in an overwhelming number of ways to different conditions, different environments, different stressors, and different ecological pressures. So the -- this branching pot thing. And look, and beyond that there are forests, there are trees that the scientists have found where up to 75 percent of the nitrogen in the tree turns out to be fish food. Well, it depends on who you ask. No. [ENRIQUE: This is Enrique Romero from the bordertown of Laredo, Texas. AATISH BHATIA: This feels one of those experiments where you just abort it on humanitarian grounds, you know? 46 7. And she goes into that darkened room with all the pea plants. No, no, no, no, no. If she's going to do this experiment, most likely she's going to use cold water. Like for example, my plants were all in environment-controlled rooms, which is not a minor detail. That's what she says. ROY HALLING: The last kind of part of the root gets tangled just around the edge. As soon as we labeled them, we used the Geiger counter to -- and ran it up and down the trees, and we could tell that they were hot, they were boo boo boo boo boo, right? And she goes on to argue that had we been a little bit more steady and a little bit more consistent, the plants would have learned and would have remembered the lesson. More information about Sloan at www.sloan.org]. And if you don't have one, by default you can't do much in general. The magnolia tree outside of our house got into the sewer pipes, reached its tentacles into our house and busted the sewage pipe. And it begins to look a lot like an airline flight map, but even more dense. And she goes on to argue that had we been a little bit more steady and a little bit more consistent, the plants would have learned and would have remembered the lesson. MONICA GAGLIANO: Yeah, I know. So what they're saying is even if she's totally sealed the pipe so there's no leak at all, the difference in temperature will create some condensation on the outside. And I remember it was Sunday, because I started screaming in my lab. She's done three experiments, and I think if I tell you about what she has done, you -- even you -- will be provoked into thinking that plants can do stuff you didn't imagine, dream they could do. Landing very comfortably onto a padded base made of foam. So after much trial and error with click and hums and buzzes She found that the one stimulus that would be perfect was A little fan. Me first. Peering down at the plants under the red glow of her headlamp. So maybe the root hairs, which are always found right at the growing tips of plant roots, maybe plant roots are like little ears. Do you really need a brain to sense the world around you? Then we actually had to run four months of trials to make sure that, you know, that what we were seeing was not one pea doing it or two peas, but it was actually a majority. To remember? And right in the middle of the yard is a tree. And we can move it up, and we can drop it. ALVIN UBELL: They would have to have some ROBERT: Maybe there's some kind of signal? ROBERT: Give it to the new -- well, that's what she saying. I mean, it's -- like, when a plant bends toward sunlight. SUZANNE SIMARD: He'd fallen in. And then JENNIFER FRAZER: They secrete acid. Would they stay in the tree, or would they go down to the roots? So we're up to experiment two now, are we not? I don't know why you have problems with this. So we're really -- like this is -- we're really at the very beginning of this. ROBERT: When people first began thinking about these things, and we're talking in the late 1800s, they had no idea what they were or what they did, but ultimately they figured out that these things were very ancient, because if you look at 400-million-year-old fossils of some of the very first plants JENNIFER FRAZER: You can see, even in the roots of these earliest land plants JENNIFER FRAZER: This is a really ancient association. And for a long time, they were thought of as plants. Now the plants if they were truly dumb they'd go 50/50. Along with a home-inspection duo, a science writer, and some enterprising scientists at Princeton University, we dig into the work of evolutionary ecologist Monica Gagliano, who turns our brain-centered worldview on its head through a series of clever experiments that show plants doing things we never would've imagined. Exactly. I go out and I thought there's no one here on Sunday afternoon. So what does the tree do? He's holding his hand maybe a foot off the ground. JENNIFER FRAZER: Oh, yeah. LARRY UBELL: Me first. Did Jigs emerge? They look just like mining tunnels. ROBERT: Again, science writer Jennifer Frazer. Thanks to Jennifer Frazer who helped us make sense of all this. Wait a second. It was like -- it was like a huge network. ROBERT: And when you measure them, like one study we saw found up to seven miles of this little threading JAD: What is this thing? And if you don't have one, by default you can't do much in general. SUZANNE SIMARD: Jigs had provided this incredible window for me, you know, in this digging escapade to see how many different colors they were, how many different shapes there were, that they were so intertwined. ROBERT: I'm not making this up. ROBERT: So here's what she did. I don't know if you're a bank or if you're an -- so it's not necessarily saying, "Give it to the new guy." And the -- I'm gonna mix metaphors here, the webs it weaves. Smarty Plants. He's looking up at us quite scared and very unhappy that he was covered in SUZANNE SIMARD: And toilet paper. ROBERT: She says one of the weirdest parts of this though, is when sick trees give up their food, the food doesn't usually go to their kids or even to trees of the same species. LARRY UBELL: Yes, we are related. LINCOLN TAIZ: It's a very interesting experiment, and I really want to see whether it's correct or not. It was like, Oh, I might disturb my plants!" The part where the water pipe was, the pipe was on the outside of the pot? JAD: The plants have to keep pulling their leaves up and they just get tired. So they figured out who paid for the murder. ROBERT: And for the meat substitute, she gave each plant little bit of food. MONICA GAGLIANO: Yeah, tested it in my lab. They learned something. The other important thing we figured out is that, as those trees are injured and dying, they'll dump their carbon into their neighbors. These sensitive hairs he argues, would probably be able to feel that tiny difference. More information about Sloan at www.sloan.org]. And the pea plants are left alone to sit in this quiet, dark room feeling the breeze. They're switched on. SUZANNE SIMARD: And there was a lot of skepticism at the time. But now we know, after having looked at their DNA, that fungi are actually very closely related to animals. In this case, a little blue LED light. ], [ROY HALLING: Matt Kielty, Robert Krulwich, Annie McEwen, Andy Mills, Latif Nasser, Malissa O'Donnell. And so why is that? MONICA GAGLIANO: Yeah. So there is some water outside of the pipe. To play the message, press two. The roots of this tree of course can go any way they want to go. And it's in that little space between them that they make the exchange. Princeton University News Transformations: Students find creativity at intersection of art and engineering. I mean, it's a kind of romanticism, I think. And she says she began to notice things that, you know, one wouldn't really expect. It's gone. ROBERT: Fan, light, lean. She made sure that the dirt didn't get wet, because she'd actually fastened the water pipe to the outside of the pot. So they didn't. JENNIFER FRAZER: The fungi needs sugar to build their bodies, the same way that we use our food to build our bodies. JENNIFER FRAZER: Yes, in a lot of cases it is the fungus. Imagine towering trees to your left and to your right. JENNIFER FRAZER: Yeah, it might run out of fuel. Apparently she built some sort of apparatus. Just the sound of it? Radiolab: Smarty Plants. ROBERT: Sounds, yeah. ROBERT: Because this peculiar plant has a -- has a surprising little skill. I was, like, floored. They definitely don't have a brain. Is it, like -- is it a plant? And his idea was to see if he could condition these dogs to associate that food would be coming from the sound of a bell. No, I don't because she may come up against it, people who think that intelligence is unique to humans. And the pea plant leans toward them. I think there are some cases where romanticizing something could possibly lead you to some interesting results. ], Test the outer edges of what you think you know. Then Monica hoists the plant back up again and drops it again. ], Matt Kielty, Robert Krulwich, Annie McEwen, Andy Mills, Latif Nasser, Malissa O'Donnell. SUZANNE SIMARD: Yes, that seems to be what happens. Is that what -- is that what this? That is correct. ROBERT: I don't think Monica knows the answer to that, but she does believe that, you know, that we humans MONICA GAGLIANO: We are a little obsessed with the brain. I purposely removed the chance for a moisture gradient. But instead of dogs, she had pea plants in a dark room. He shoves away the leaves, he shoves away the topsoil. Radiolab is supported in part by the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, enhancing public understanding of science and technology in the modern world. It's soaks in sunshine, and it takes CO2, carbon dioxide, and it's splits it in half. ROBERT: And I met a plant biologist who's gonna lead that parade. It's soaks in sunshine, and it takes CO2, carbon dioxide, and it's splits it in half. What the team found is the food ends up very often with trees that are new in the forest and better at surviving global warming. Kind of even like, could there be a brain, or could there be ears or, you know, just sort of like going off the deep end there. I was like, "Oh, my God! So after much trial and error with click and hums and buzzes She found that the one stimulus that would be perfect was A little fan. Yeah, and hopefully not be liquefied by the fungus beneath us. SUZANNE SIMARD: Yes, we don't normally ascribe intelligence to plants, and plants are not thought to have brains. And then those little tubes will wrap themselves into place. Where we've all been, you know, doing our daily business. And of course we had to get Jigs out. These guys are actually doing it." He's not a huge fan of. JAD: Wait a second. Add to My Podcasts. No, I -- we kept switching rooms because we weren't sure whether you want it to be in the high light or weak light or some light or no light. Because after dropping them 60 times, she then shook them left to right and they instantly folded up again. JAD: What is the tree giving back to the fungus? That's okay. Is it ROBERT: This is like metaphor is letting in the light as opposed to shutting down the blinds. And they, you know, they push each other away so they can get to the sky. And what we found was that the trees that were the biggest and the oldest were the most highly connected. ], [JENNIFER FRAZER: Our staff includes Simon Adler, Becca Bressler, Rachael Cusick ], [ALVIN UBELL: David -- David Gebel. But now we know, after having looked at their DNA, that fungi are actually very closely related to animals. In this case, a little blue LED light. Jigs emerged. ROBERT: She says the tree can only suck up what it needs through these -- mostly through the teeny tips of its roots, and that's not enough bandwidth. AATISH BHATIA: All right. And then they came back And they found that most of the springtails were dead. You found exactly what the plants would do under your circumstances which were, I don't know, let's say a bit more tumultuous than mine. Apparently, she built some sort of apparatus. And again. These guys are actually doing it." I know -- I know you -- I know you don't. ], [ALVIN UBELL: And Alvin Ubell. ROBERT: So let's go to the first. Yeah, it might run out of fuel. I am the blogger of The Artful Amoeba at Scientific American. SUZANNE SIMARD: He was a, not a wiener dog. Walker Wolff. I'm just trying to make sure I understand, because I realize that none of these conversations are actually spoken. They just don't like to hear words like "mind" or "hear" or "see" or "taste" for a plant, because it's too animal and too human. People speculated about this, but no one had actually proved it in nature in the woods until Suzanne shows up. But it didn't happen. JAD: It was curling each time when it ROBERT: Every time. The problem is is with plants. Little fan goes on, little light goes on, both aiming at the pea plant from the same direction. ROBERT: By the way, should we establish -- is it a fact that you're ALVIN UBELL: He's on the right track. It just kept curling and curling. SUZANNE SIMARD: Like, nitrogen and phosphorus. She took some plants, put them in a pot that restricted the roots so they could only go in one of just two directions, toward the water pipe or away from the water pipe. ROBERT: I think if I move on to the next experiment from Monica, you're going to find it a little bit harder to object to it. She's working in the timber industry at the time. On our knees with our noses in the ground, and we can't see anything. ROBERT: And he pokes it at this little springtail, and the springtail goes boing! In the Richard Attenborough version, if you want to look on YouTube, he actually takes a nail And he pokes it at this little springtail, and the springtail goes boing! I thought okay, so this is just stupid. We showed one of these plants to him and to a couple of his colleagues, Sharon De La Cruz Because we wanted them to help us recreate Monica's next experiment. She's done three experiments, and I think if I tell you about what she has done, you -- even you -- will be provoked into thinking that plants can do stuff you didn't imagine, dream they could do. I've been looking around lately, and I know that intelligence is not unique to humans. Do you really need a brain to sense the world around you? JAD: Couldn't it just be an entirely different interpretation here? Image credits: Photo Credit: Flickred! So we're really -- like this is -- we're really at the very beginning of this. ROBERT: Had indeed turned and moved toward the fan, stretching up their little leaves as if they were sure that at any moment now light would arrive. This is by the way, what her entire family had done, her dad and her grandparents. -- they spring way up high in the air. They're switched on. ROBERT: What's its job? Picasso! If you look at a root under a microscope, what you see is all these thousands of feelers like hairs on your head looking for water. So that voice belongs to Aatish Bhatia, who is with Princeton University's Council on Science and Technology. ROBERT: We, as you know, built your elevator. ROBERT: And some of them, this is Lincoln Taiz LINCOLN TAIZ: I'm a professor emeritus of plant biology at UC Santa Cruz. They still remembered. And not too far away from this tree, underground, there is a water pipe. And then when times are hard, that fungi will give me my sugar back and I can start growing again. I don't know. And then I needed to -- the difficulty I guess, of the experiment was to find something that will be quite irrelevant and really meant nothing to the plant to start with. Testing one, two. To remember? So I think what she would argue is that we kind of proved her point. SUZANNE SIMARD: We had to dig from the sides. And then what happens? I mean, couldn't it just be like that? ALVIN UBELL: The glass is not broken. I was like, "Oh, my God! Now, can you -- can you imagine what we did wrong? It just kept curling. You know, it goes back to anthropomorphizing plant behaviors. Little white threads attached to the roots. Take it. JAD: No, I actually, like even this morning it's already like poof! Truth is, I think on this point she's got a -- she's right. I was like, "Oh, my God! And this is what makes it even more gruesome. But white, translucent and hairy, sort of. When they did this, they saw that a lot of the springtails that had the tubes inside them were still alive. It's almost as if these plants -- it's almost as if they know where our pipes are. And I'm wondering whether Monica is gonna run into, as she tries to make plants more animal-like, whether she's just gonna run into this malice from the scientific -- I'm just wondering, do you share any of that? An expert. But maybe it makes her sort of more open-minded than -- than someone who's just looking at a notebook. This is Roy Halling, researcher specializing in fungi at the New York Botanical Garden. MONICA GAGLIANO: Yeah, tested it in my lab. I mean, it's -- like, when a plant bends toward sunlight. So it's not that it couldn't fold up, it's just that during the dropping, it learned that it didn't need to. ]. So that's where these -- the scientists from Princeton come in: Peter, Sharon and Aatish. ROBERT: It won't be a metaphor in just a moment. ROBERT: But once again I kind of wondered if -- since the plant doesn't have a brain or even neurons to connect the idea of light and wind or whatever, where would they put that information? So today we have a triptych of experiments about plants. There's this whole other world right beneath my feet. But Monica says what she does do is move around the world with a general feeling of What if? OUR PODCASTSSUPPORT US Smarty Plants LISTEN Download February 13, 2018 ( Robert Krulwich Or even learn? But let me just -- let me give it a try. JAD: Yeah, absolutely. ROBERT: And he starts digging with his rake at the base of this tree. ROBERT: Truth is, I think on this point she's got a -- she's right. The tree will wrap its roots around that pipe. They're some other kind of category. This is the headphones? PETER LANDGREN: Little seatbelt for him for the ride down. The tree has a lot of sugar. ROBERT: Okay. And then all the other ones go in the same direction. Can you -- will you soften your roots so that I can invade your root system?" Fan, light, lean. Or even learn? They all went closed. Jad and Robert, they are split on this one. And it was almost like, let's see how much I have to stretch it here before you forget. Support Radiolab today atRadiolab.org/donate. One tree goes "Uh-oh." ROBERT: She took that notion out of the garden into her laboratory. The tree has a lot of sugar. We were so inconsistent, so clumsy, that the plants were smart to keep playing it safe and closing themselves up. Sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth, eleventh. ROBERT: Monica says what she does do is move around the world with a general feeling of ROBERT: What if? We dropped. MONICA GAGLIANO: Exactly. To remember? And I do that in my brain. Never mind.". JENNIFER FRAZER: But we don't know. MONICA GAGLIANO: Like a defensive mechanism. With when they actually saw and smelled and ate meat. LINCOLN TAIZ: Yes. 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